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of course, that was on equal pay. thank you for joining us on tran-tens. charles payne is next. charles: breaking news. the bush campaign announcing staff cuts. two former u.s. presidents, many are calling it the emergency family meeting and it could actually be the last stand. joining us to discuss this is our guest and panel. so you know that bush is a little bit more than everyone else.
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and it just looks like a lifeless candidacy. what do you think remap what should we expect? >> i think that you're going to find that we rallied the bush fund-raising base. and they challenged ronald reagan and others for the presidency. so i think that it is an attempt to gauge how much support is there because the numbers are not backward. there have been a lot of good fund-raising, tremendous amount of money. bush is short on hard dollars. others have taken pay cuts. also he is extremely reliant on big donors. and the ratio of the donors to small donors is 15-1.
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these are people that probably can't even give more if they want to. it's the flipside for other candidate where it is one big donor. charles: ironically this move is somewhat transparent when you put up a list of the big donors. and he was saying, okay, they have put out $17,000. he has no grassroots support. and it feels like déjà vu. it seems like rick perry had a very similar scenario. >> just come i think that this is pretty much on his way out. i don't see him climbing in the polls. and i'm hoping that maybe some of the other candidates will come out and put their support behind him, hopefully giving him that boost. and the last ditch effort to save the bush campaign. i was wondering if they would have us to action over thanksgiving, but i guess
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they're going have it earlier. charles: the poll numbers are frightening. even now there's been so many are on national television that our guy has no energy to his point and it feels like this is the end of the road. >> just come at a little bit surprising. when we look at his record he has some good policy issues and it's very similar to that of rick perry. but for some reason they are just not catching traction. >> do you think that he got too comfortable? the establishment behind them, it feels like -- he always had a more cavalier attitude where would all kick in and destiny one unfold. >> it rubbed everyone enormously the wrong way.
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and i think people recall some are good, some are bad, and just statements like you have to lose the primary to win the general election. before you have any chance of getting it. going forward i think it will be whether those establishment donors gravitates marco rubio. and that is sort of considered the establishment alternative because you have someone with the same views on immigration and if you see those donors flipped over, that is one he is in terminal trouble. charles: we have the gop debate next week. i would suggest that that would be the knockout blow for several. whatever the support goes it remains to be seen. these well-known governors, over to christina's points, dropping
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like flies. i thought that scott walker had a great chance coming in. i thought that four years ago that rick perry was a wonderful candidate and of course jeb bush, i never thought it would be a great candidate but he seemed to have a lot behind them, what is wrong with the governors and the gop voters? >> grassroots is a big deal these days. what they know is that they have taken the blueprint and put it right on top of the state capital. we are seeing tons of corporatism which is actually stemming from his indictment and we are looking at overspending, hitting budget and just progressive legislation coming out of governors and grassroots paying attention. all in all they are saying no we are going to pick our primary candidate. charles: oh, boy, i just thought it was the year of the governor and i was so wrong.
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coming up next, you know them, they are taking credit for tuples already sending out attack ads and they say that donald trump is extremely liberal on taxes and health care and of course he is saying that it is all sour grapes after he called them out, we are trying to shake him down. the ads are done by the super pac and they will rely on more. they also are now slamming ben carson's position on health care where they say it straight out of the playbook. calling him an anti-capitalists. so okay, you are taking a victory lap, donald trump did pretty good the last couple of days. you are saying that your group is partially responsible for this? >> that is right.
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but i would not say to victory yet. what we are seeing is everywhere else the poll numbers have stayed high that when the voters really hand the record, he's a liberal on tax increases, federal government health care, using eminent domain, they turn away from donald trump and look for somebody else and that is happening in iowa, the polls showed it and to public polls have confirmed that that one republican voters related to look at donald trump he is not the type of change agent that they want to send washington. he is another politician. charles: earlier when the "des moines register" is out there were a lot of responses. many people pointing out that iowa has not necessarily been that great. we haven't not had a lot of presidents come out on the gop side. you guys are part of a group?
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>> just come i think that it's important they get out and all of the states. one republican voters, frankly everywhere, when they start to see his real record, they will realize that we have an opportunity to get some great change agents, marco rubio, ted cruz, those that can go to washington and get the job done because they are conservatives. donald trump is not a conservative. he is sounding like one, but he's the worst kind of politician because he says whatever voters want him to say. and we look at the record of where he has been at. >> i would not say he's the worst kind of politician, maybe if he was not living up to some of the promises. but i understand what you're saying. however, you have to admit that it is surprising a lot of people, here is the criticism.
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you guys are the vanguard of the establishment. sort of like the same thing when they knocked out governors. crony capitalism, things like that and you are defending it tooth and nail. >> i smile because here in washington we are the opposite of the establishment and we got rid of arlen specter and supported ted cruz over the establishment candidate. we beat charlie crist and we put a lot of money into it to help and i know that donald trump wants to lump us into the establishment but we are very dedicated to freedom and smaller government, but that is the way that the chips fall. >> how much are you going to spend against ben carson now that he has rocketed to the top? >> we don't have any plans to engage in the money campaign
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with ben carson. but what we do our papers on all of these candidates. he is a good man, but on economics is all over the place and sometimes he says he likes socialism, sometimes capitalism and we just pointed that out. >> what would've happened if he would have had to that check? >> we would've said the same thing. >> you're going to have a tough time raising money from other people then as well. >> you know, i thought that donald trump said that he was a conservative and i figured it may make sense. other conservatives will continue to give us money because we will continue those ideas. charles: is marco rubio bolden to you guys? >> marco rubio has said that we helped him to get elected. he will be beholden to the
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voters and not to us. but we know that he sincerely believes the ideas of free markets and limited government and the same with ted cruz. we just point out, do they do what they said they are going to do reign i'm confident that the both of them well. >> it looks like they will be among those standing. so you guys have these ads against the antiestablishment candidates but not everybody necessarily agrees with this. joining me now is susan sullivan and christina is with us as well. susan, you are the personification of small business and government and pro-growth. this is your grassroots and be represented on the business side. do you think that they've got it right with donald trump and ben carson? >> i looked up the definition of anti-capitalists and as someone who opposes capitalism ,-com,-com ma i would be hard-pressed to argue that
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either ben carson or donald trump is opposed to capitaliscapitalis m. i think that the issue is they may not get every issue the way that you want it, but you shouldn't be a single issue voter anyway and secondly i do think that when it comes to business they have that business. you talk about this administration, you talk about what is going on in washington when they are passing policies and laws that have unintended consequences that are stifling. >> it is fair to say that ben carson -- i know that he sat on the board but it seems like he is feeling his way through the process of that was going on. he has said a few things that had me scratching my head as well. >> it is hard to say, these are men that have held this office. but anyone that we have after this administration are going to have a hole to dig out of. we have millions more americans
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on well -- welfare. making it hard for people to succeed, small businesses are the driver of our economy. so we need to have someone in the white house that is going to unleash the entrepreneurial spirit and put people back to work and create jobs. >> ben carson, marco rubio, in your mind any of the more formidable candidate, would that be the reason not to vote for any of them? >> i cannot label anyone. i don't know what carson stands for. he changes his position every other week and i can't really say about ben carson but what i can say whether it's about donald trump or ted cruz, you have to two guys come in the only two guys running their nd of itself is good for the economy and i hate to rain on this but
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the ads in iowa, maybe they should check the roster on who they have endorsed because they have endorsed to keep keystone pipeline which has seized a woman's property right here in texas. there is a little bit of hypocrisy on the issue. >> david, giving you the last word. >> he wants to take people's houses in order to build his casinos and we have always been against eminent domain abuse. you should pay people what their the property is worth and let them have property rights. what we were for what keystone is not having president obama held up the stroke of a pen, that everyone should have property rights protected. but the government or private industry should pay for private property when they taken. >> that's exactly what donald trump does. >> the candidate supports keystone.
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>> it's not about keystone, it is about donald trump to buy politicians. >> it is not even an american company. >> let's leave it there, we will brush up on eminent domain and everyone had amazing points. speaking of amazing, it was an amazing week for great american companies. and the question is why. figuring out ways to reinvent themselves. mcdonald's, microsoft. we will talk about this market rally by the companies that your rally by the companies that your grandparents used to love ♪ ♪ (singing) you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product
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with gusto and the rally now helping stocks that were left for dead not too long ago come back. microsoft is a huge winner and the biggest winner struggled for a long time. the is now back on top. also this has been a common theme throughout the week, these great american companies left for dead bouncing back. joining me now is david. last night at talked about mcdonald's. how many negative articles have you read they don't understand millennialist, it's an all-time high. texas instruments. it's like, what the heck. if you ask anyone they would say that they make calculators. obviously these names not only reinventing themselves but for
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me it's a story for people out there who want to give up on americans speak to a great investing strategy is to take these iconic names, great geographic reach, whenever everyone gives him up for dead, that's when you want to accumulate the position. often they have nice dividends. >> the key. rate management. the new ceo of the stock goes straight to the moon and we see this over and over. how can the average person know if the new management is good or not were that the current management is up to snuff? >> you have to see if they are up to running. you have two great companies with new management. those who are really initiating the great turnaround and we are starting this the the fruits of
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their labor. charles: on that note. caterpillar and ibm, i think that they both are talking about this. and i don't think that they get the urgency factor but these are two names that i think are going to be much higher, i just don't know when they make the turn. >> caterpillar, i'm certainly going to give them more here because they are in the top business right now because commodities are down, oversees the commodities are weak and there are others like caterpillar and ibm, it is a special case. we saw great results from other companies, can ibm move fast enough, if you know what i mean is the one that's right, by a company, be up player.
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charles: now it is time to answer questions on the market. craig asks, are is there still an upside opportunity. and i think that there is. hillary clinton, say what you think about her as a candidate, she has wrecked the whole medical complex. this week it was health insurance, even the hospitals. but i'm telling you that i think
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both of these stocks oversold. and one individual said do you expect pullback on google and would you add to netflix. yeah, i think so, we have seen these stocks making big moves, particularly amazon. and netflix, absolutely. they are the amazon of what they are doing, it they are building a foundation and it's out of this world. it has been an amazing money machine. so what happened with columbia sportswear? and usually when they are in a moving average, i think it is overdone.
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most of it is associated with rivals. and finally, kathy wanted to know, my portfolio is completely restored. great job, kathy. doing well, but i'm worried about my husband's 401k, we are told a 21 acres% position in one stock. what kind of fun is that? check your 401ks. whoever is your firm runs these things and they give you five or 10 choices and they're usually redundant or ridiculous. what happens to it, i'm not sure. but on monday there is a special investor conference and they're going to talk about everything. we will see what happens. and i would not sell the fund, but maybe somewhere on the upside. and i think it's going to be
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charles: been carson may be not a fluke. remember, yesterday to pick had him ahead and today it was des moines iowa. this is the 1st time in months donald trump is not let the poll. now he joined the recently to address the common sense approach that is resonating. >> there are a lot of votes that are ready to be collected by people who go out and actually care and provide a mechanism for them
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to become part of the fabric of success, and not just a tool to collect votes. charles: back with you now, our panel. ebony, what do you make of this surge by carson all of a sudden in iowa? >> i am not surprised, charles. two sides of the same coin. brilliantly talented at what they do. i expect him to stay there. but we saw in the interview, it is almost like a bedside manner.a bedside manner. the candidates that appeal to the head and the heart. charles: you agree 100 percent? >> not necessarily so. i will say that ebony is right about one thing, it will be your perspective, what you want, who you see as your president. do you want a mild-mannered
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soft-spoken low energy kind of guy or someone who will be bombastic because we don't have another eight years to get this figured out. more importantly, i am glad someone else is at the top in iowa because now we can affect andfit and talk about his position on gun control, abortion, amnesty, global warming. let's start talking about doctor carson. charles: where do you weigh in? i like the idea of everyone being vetted a little bit more. i am hoping we will get greater clarity from all. >> there are a couple of things. there is a likability. aa likability. a lack of that negative edge, more positive feeling about him. part of it is that it plays with social conservatives. in favor of the flat tax, but expressed it in terms of the biblical concept that you give a flat 10 percent which is true if you make a
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billion dollars over a hundred dollars. the caution is the trump is down and carson is up. it's worth keeping in mind that he led the democrats through all of summer and fall and fell from grace rapidly. charles: ebony, to that point and in the same poll, it was interesting where he scores big time, most on common sense but also talking about his being guided by his faith, obama care being worsened slavery, and also what was interesting is that, the folks who took the survey, 69 percent did not think aa muslim would be eligible, should not be eligible for the presidency. iowa is a unique state. can we extrapolate this? >> i wasi was a bit of a petri dish in that same way.
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i don't know that that would play on the west coast. some of that stuff, like you said, the religious stuff, but i don't know necessarily here is the thing, to katrina's point about doctor carson being meek and mild mannered is true, but ultimately, again, some people just want an adult at the table which is bigger than donald trump. that is a commentary on washington. charles: the main super pack backing donald trump was shutting down. a lot of scrutiny. critics said that the pack hypocritically -- was hypocritical and a sense because he made all of these promises about self funding his own campaign. here is one. >> i am self funding, the only one. when you look at hillary and jeb and marco and all the people, they are taking
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tremendous amounts of money. charles: also calling for an end for all super funds. self funding is going to be tough, even for a billionaire. not taking a nickel from outside is going to really put a dent, even in his wallet. >> it will, but there will be super pacs helping donald trump because there are issue -based items that will be out merit. this was shutthis was shut down because they did not want it to look bad. all of this media coverage and in looking bad between the two, even though jeb bush has the same connections. you know what, we don't want to cause him any more trouble. we will just shut it down. charles: it gets back to money and politics. it is not going to go away. where do you think, should therethink, should there be some sort of way of training
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them and somehow? >> my idea it is full transparency command let the good times roll. you know, and communication is money and money is communication. you cannot have one without the other. a legal requirement that it comes from only us citizens, but then we have true freedom. in this case it's a sign of him normalizing his campaign command he may be surprised by his own success, that this may go the distance. charles: there is no doubt about it.it. he is starting to consider his running mate. breaking news. the house approved legislation that could undo parts of obama care.
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we can help keep people safe; and to us that feels really good. charles: breaking news. the house approved a bill that could undo parts of obama care. back with us again. both of you guys have been on top of this and written amazing articles. people are beginning to be hopeful that this is the tip of the iceberg and ultimately obama care can be either repealed, dismantled, or whatever. is that more realistic? >> more realistic that it will be replaced, not dismantled. we are seeing the funding discussions now with the debt ceiling coming up and holding obama care as a
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playing card whether or not they decide to raise it based upon obama care funding, but it will be interesting to see what they do. charles: is it a waste of time? just completely shut it down and replace it with something that makes more sense? >> i think this is symbolic. they know that it will be a hard battle in the senate, but i think they are looking more long term. right now you have insurers requesting premium hikes, and within a few years some of the temporary provisions to shelters consumers are going to be gone. so you will see astronomical pricing. charles: this is resonating now. it was wanting to talk about , into the weeds with the regular folks. now people e-mail and tweet. i mean,, it is sitting them right in their face and will
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be an avalanche. you get a republican president, why were they not just be able to junk it and start over? >> i would love for them to. to. i reported 97 percent of the obama care enrollment has been in medicaid. he neverhe never told the people it would be a massive welfare expansion which really is obama care and three words. we have put 9 million able-bodied work able child lists adults in a welfare program that they were never qualified for before this president. folks who were never qualified for the benefit and are now at the head of the line for people that medicated was intended for. those folksthose folks and output to the back of the line. 9 million people in a brand-new entitlement system which is terrible for the economy.
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charles: smoke and mirrors. mirrors. your premium is up, deductible is up, for most people both. >> and they will only rise. it is interesting what they projected and health and human services saying we expect only 1 million people to sign up. americans are buying it for now. charles: ultimately it will always be something like 36, 37 million. and to your point they would just be shifted to a welfare program. thank you very much. tough news, but we appreciate you keeping a light on it. the new york times about one month ago trying to take down or shame amazon. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20?
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♪ charles: the new york times published a scathing article about amazon entitled inside amazon addressing inside ideas. conducting an experiment and how far a kid push white-collar workers to get them to achieve its ever-expanding ambitions. since the article amazon has been on a tear, closing at an all-time high and saying it plans to hire one hundred thousand seasonal workers, essentially back busting jobs. i say blessi say bless amazon. maybe it is time for more companies to push their workers, white and blue color. i was so upset when the article initially came out. amazon has a saying when you walk in, it is hard work.
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no one surprised that it will be bruising. >> that is absolutely right. every company, you have an employment brand. you know going in what the company culture will be like, and with amazon you cannot argue with results. i did research quickly and found that there are no major cases against amazon for employment discrimination. they have tried to get a class-action suit going with her has workers, but it has not come to fruition. fruition. you look at amazon, almost 300,000 employees. anytime you have that many come out about 10% of them will be disgruntled employees. they will not be a good fit. charles: here is the thing. they have unlimited sick leave. vacation days,leave. vacation days, family days, the thing with family workers, skateboard.
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but for me when i look at what amazon is doing i look at what is happening with walmart. 100,000 people. i think we need more,more, not fewer. this whole new york times worklife balance thing is out of work -- out of whack. i don't see how this works. >> i don't know where being art worker or taking on a job is hard work and why that got to be a bad thing, but you see, and i think it is an effective the entitlement situation, people don't want to work hard. the thing that makes my skin crawl is when someone in the business looks at me and says, it's not my job. charles: they echo what we have heard, they cannot cannotheard, they cannot find workers, and a lot of this is not a skill issue but a temperament attitude issue. >> a lot of times small business can't say the salary or rate.
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we have seen so many people downsize. you have seen the labor participation rate dropped to the lowest it has been in years. they look at a small business and think, that's all you are going to pay? they don't want to do it. charles: i hear you. thanks athanks a lot and kudos. i want to switch gears. remember touring pharmaceutical, drug company that hike to the price of aids drugs to more than 5,000 percent. now there is a competitor thata competitor that has introduced a drug bill will get -- that will only cost you a dollar. the ceo join maria this morning and is still defending his pill. >> we are the premium product, the more expensive product. 60% of our drug we sell for a penny. many of our patients get our drugs for very low prices and insurance pays for the rest. so co-pays are limited. charles: of course price gouging has become a hot topic on the campaign trail
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with hillary clinton calling for government investigation into the entire industry. in the meantime, the islamic state earning up to 50 million per month and oil cells. despite the fact, we know what this is comeau we know with the infrastructure is, is, but we are not going after it. we will be right back. jeb bush: this president, with all due respect, believes that america's leadership and presence in the world is not a force for good. america has led the world and it is a more peaceful world when we're engaged the right way. we do not have to be the world's policeman. we have to be the world's leader. we have to stand for the values of freedom. who's going to take care of the christians that are being eliminated in the middle east? but for the united states, who? who's going to stand up for the dissidents inside of iran that are brutalized each and every day? but for the united states, who? who's going to take care of israel and support them - our greatest ally in the middle east? but for the united states,
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no one - no one is capable of doing this. the united states has the capability of doing this, and it's in our economic and national security interest that we do it. i will be that kind of president and i hope you want that kind of president for our country going forward. announcer: right to rise usa is responsible for the content of this message. with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. just book any flight you want then use your miles to cover the cost. now, that's more like it. what's in your wallet?
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♪ charles: isys breaking up to $50 to five $50 million a month by selling crude. despite this knowledge, for some reason, their oil infrastructure is not the main target for our bombing missions. it is time to hit them where it would hurt the most. in the meantime, they
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continue to take control of hundreds of oil wells. the man that killed osama bin laden. i have to give you another high-five for that. what is going on? i am looking at the list. targets damaged and destroyed. we have only destroyed hundred 96 of the oil infrastructure targets. there bombing buildings, other targets in a staging areas. this is where the money is. >> oil is a tough one. you don't want to destroy it because someone wants to get the oil. we have only had a couple of the infrastructure places, and since russia has been involved, they have not had any of it. charles: is that get to the notion that this is all about oil anyway? a cynic would say i told you.
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>> it is so important everywhere, everyone needs it. look at isis, for crying out loud, a terrorist organization selling oil to people. up into turkey and are making money. everyone is making money. >> there is also that dilemma. about 10 million people. do we really want to these people off? i mean,, they set up the situation where it is hard to take down the oil infrastructure. that is the asset they protect the most. they will sell it cheap. charles: you just said the asset they protect the most. in any other war we would try to figure out how to cut off sources of funding, food supplies, money. these are things that you cut off.
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it feels like the rest of the body will fall. i understand the collateral damage, the break it you own it, but it is crazy that we allow them to generate this amount of money. >> it is such a built-in asset in the sense that they already have a market. they are selling it so incredibly cheap that they will always have demand and they always go for the best. the best technicians, engineers. that is why they are so upset about migrants going west. his brain drain is going to affect us. charles: how many potential terrorists could be embedded in these groups? >> in the boats, they are full of them. they are all men. you see groups hurting themselves through canals. okay. realistically 2% of them are isis trojan horses that will come home to roost.
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charles: salute to an american success. what they do is they claim personal grills and smokers, he started the business and is doing phenomenal. we salutephenomenal. we salute him. we salute you and lisa, too. here is lou dobbs. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. doctor ben carson has something to celebrate tonight. the 2nd poll this week to show carson moving ahead of donald trump, but trump also has a lot to celebrate dominating with a strong lead in every single national poll and has held that for more than three months. this as republican empire -- republican insiders say it is increasingly likely that trump will when the republican party's

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